Dougie’s Friday Mailbag (Roy Jones Jr., Robinson and Ali vs. the best, role models) – The Ring


Is it an American bias to suppose that Roy Jones Jr. was unstoppable at 168 kilos? Probably not. He was superb in his prime. Picture from the Ring/Getty assortment


Hello Dougie,

I discovered myself in a YouTube wormhole the opposite night time after I ought to have been asleep and watched a Sky Sports activities present known as “The Gloves Are Off.” Have you ever seen it? The episode I watched had Roy Jones, Joe Calzaghe, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins and Richie Woodhall speaking tremendous middleweights within the 90s.

With Canelo-BJS developing, looks like time to speak about SW legendary fights. My take is prime 168-pound RJJ beats all these guys simply, as would a main (in form) James Toney. Is that my USA bias coming by? Collins had the strongest discuss that he may of beat Roy, the others have been extra humble of their description. I feel Calzaghe was underrated as an excellent fighter and I’d put him third on the listing after RJJ and Toney.

If that they had fought, how would you have got seen it? – Tyler Sf Bay Space

If that they had all fought in a spherical robin (and also you weren’t clear in the event you needed me to incorporate James Toney or different notable ’90s-era tremendous middleweights, reminiscent of Michael Nunn, Nigel Benn and Frankie Liles, so I’m not together with them), there’s little doubt in my thoughts that Jones would come out on high, probably unbeaten and unscathed. Nonetheless, it’s not inconceivable that Calzaghe may narrowly outpoint him on night time or that Jones may very well be thrown off by the distinctive type of Eubank, who may very well be harmful in spots. And if the normally rock-solid chin of Collins may maintain up in opposition to the dynamic energy that Jones exhibited at 168, I feel the Celtic Warrior may additionally give the Pensacola native a aggressive distance battle simply by sheer will, stress and quantity punching.

Jones at his easiest. Picture by THE RING Archive

So, I don’t suppose you’ve received an U.S. bias for pondering that Jones (or Toney) beats all of them, as a result of he was a bodily marvel in his prime, really explosive, (whereas Toney was an elite-level throwback, a whole fighter who was robust as nails and imply as hell) however I do suppose it’s best to familiarize your self with the others earlier than you dismiss them as “simple work” for both American. Calzaghe didn’t finish his profession with a 46-0 document accidentally. And whereas Eubank and Collins have been removed from invincible, that they had unusual/unshakable self-belief and can energy; no person had a simple time within the ring with them.

Nonetheless, I can’t get mad at anybody for pondering that Jones may spark anybody at 168 kilos. He’s the perfect tremendous middleweight ever for my part. An argument could be made for Calzaghe resulting from his better physique of labor, however the 168-pound division has by no means hosted a extra naturally gifted athlete AND boxer than Jones. I feel Jones, Calzaghe and Toney are the highest three, in that order. Having stated that, I consider {that a} good, well-schooled boxer with chin and intensive novice background just like the underrated Liles may give all of them a troublesome night time.

Anyway, thanks for alerting me to The Gloves Are Off program. I discovered the tremendous middleweights episode that you simply referenced and watched the primary 5 minutes earlier than answering this Mailbag e-mail. I can’t wait to look at your entire episode. Johnny Nelson makes for a superb moderator (I’ve at all times been impressed together with his broadcast/on-camera presence and experience), the previous tremendous middleweight champs appear open to discourse, and Sky Sports activities did an excellent job with the manufacturing.

Blue Moon Leisure which operates out of the Blue Moon Boxing Membership, the place Buddy McGirt and Toney practice fighters right here Southern California, has began the same collection known as Icons (in affiliation with Kenny Whack and Ohio Ave. Productions). I’ve moderated (or co-moderated) the primary two episodes: the primary gathered Thomas Hearns with Zab Judah, Toney and McGirt; the second featured Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales (co-moderated by ESPN’s Bernardo Osuna). They plan to do extra so preserve an eye fixed and ear out for the collection.



Good day Doug,

God Bless you and your loved ones. I hope that you simply all are protected and wholesome. You appear very respectful and educated. All Time Nice query. Taking a look at Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali and others. What could be your final matchups for these guys of their prime with others within the historical past of boxing?

At present, what are the chances of a Crawford/Spence battle at this second? If, they don’t battle who would you need them each to battle subsequent? Respectfully. – T.Okay.

Thanks for the very type (and really respectful) phrases, T.Okay., and thanks for sharing your questions with us.

The chance proportion I’d connect to Crawford-Spence occurring in the intervening time is 0%. Possibly my opinion will change after the summer time, offered COVID-19 circumstances drop sufficient to permit giant arenas to divulge heart’s contents to near-capacity, or subsequent 12 months. A PPV showdown like that can want a significant venue in Las Vegas, NYC or one of many Texas cities to host it. However I’ve additionally received to listen to the precise discuss from the fighters and their consultant to have any religion in them making it occur. Initially, the fighters need to need it. And, in the intervening time, it doesn’t look like they do.

Sugar Ray Robinson masses up in opposition to Rocky Graziano, who he sparked in three rounds. Might Sugar Ray Leonard or Marvin Hagler have given him a correct problem?

All Time Nice query. Taking a look at Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali and others. What could be your final matchups for these guys of their prime with others within the historical past of boxing? In case you’re speaking about Legendary Matchups involving Robinson and Ali vs. the perfect from totally different eras, I feel Robinson vs. Sugar Ray Leonard at welterweight and Carlos Monzon or Marvin Hagler at middleweight is on the high of my listing of Dream Fights; as is Ali vs. Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis. Junior middleweight didn’t exist in Robinson’s period, however a 154-pound Legendary Matchup with Thomas Hearns or Wilfred Benitez make for some fascinating situations. Ali vs. the cruiserweight model of Holyfield or the 200-pound model of Aleksandr Usyk are additionally fascinating MMs.



Who do you take into account the highest position fashions within the sport immediately?

From this fan’s perspective, I’d go for:

  1. Roman Gonzalez
  2. Shawn Porter
  3. Emanuel Navarrete
  4. Josh Buatsi

Thanks. – Jaime

Wow. You may’t go fallacious that group, Jaime. You recognize I acknowledge Chocolatito as THE KING. He’s humility and style personified, and but he at all times brings 100% to the ring. Porter’s the proper ambassador for the game. He’s a rough-and-tumble warrior within the ring however he exudes constructive power and it’s real. He actually is a folks particular person. Similar cope with Navarrete and Buatsi.

I do know Tyson Fury isn’t for everybody as a result of he could be an oddball and, at occasions, vulgar, however he’s matured loads over the previous three years and now the Ring/lineal/WBC heavyweight champ serves as an inspiration for lots of people, particularly those that wrestle with despair.

Anthony Joshua rebounded from his brutal stoppage loss to Andy Ruiz with class and professionalism. Picture by Nick Potts/PA Photos through Getty Photos

I take into account Anthony Joshua a job mannequin. The unified heavyweight titleholder does the whole lot proper, the whole lot by the guide. He’s an elite competitor and a category act. I like the best way he’s dealt with adversity (primarily his first loss) and the stress of his superstar. Manny Pacquiao embraced his superstar and hero standing within the Philippines a very long time in the past and has used it to serve the general public through politics and charity. Katie Taylor virtually jogs my memory of a feminine model of Roman Gonzalez by way of her warrior spirit, spiritual devotion and humility. Abner Mares, who’s overcome a variety of adversity, is somebody I feel younger boxers (or anybody from a tough background) can look as much as, as a result of he’s at all times had that entrepreneurial spirit and been concerned in companies and initiatives which have enriched his group.

And simply to piss of sure salty followers, I’ll embody Canelo and Golovkin. Sure, each males have a legion of haters and have been accused of being prima donnas, however they’re additionally consummate professionals who simply know find out how to chunk down and cope with the stress and strife that comes with boxing at their ranges. They maintain enterprise in a approach that I feel younger boxers ought to attempt to emulate.



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